There is quite a lot of discussion on this boot in Japan where they are all tallking about the shop in West Shinjuku (where I suspect I bought my replica 1st Lp). The discussion is mostly incomprehensible with machine translation.
Sound quality seems to be suspect but people generally enthuse about the Sister Ray mono and I just love the mention of the 'criminal' Doug Yule in a couple of places where they seem to be referring to versions of (3rd? Loaded? stuff) before he added his own 'criminal' activity!
This blog link also has an interesting looking boxset of the first album at top right. Is it the Deluxe Mono/Stereo? It doesn't look like mine.
http://cdsagashi.exblog.jp/3405123
Didn't I also see a version of 1st with a CD set in full size 12" sleeve somewhere recently?
New boot cd?
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iaredatsun
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Ok..checked out Record Collectors feature on the acetate here was their track listing in "order of appearance on the acetate"
01. European Son
02. Black Angels
03. ATP
04. Mirror
05. H
06. Femme Fatale
07. Venus
08. Waiting
09. RRR
The Japanese CD lists the same tracks in a different order..
01. H
02. Femme Fatale
03. Venus
04. Waiting
05. RRR
06. European Son
07. Black Angels
08. ATP
09. Mirror
Interesting!
Is it possible that the extra 3rd LP tracks are not from Sterling but are the bonus tracks that have been compiled for the 3rd LP Delux edition?
01. European Son
02. Black Angels
03. ATP
04. Mirror
05. H
06. Femme Fatale
07. Venus
08. Waiting
09. RRR
The Japanese CD lists the same tracks in a different order..
01. H
02. Femme Fatale
03. Venus
04. Waiting
05. RRR
06. European Son
07. Black Angels
08. ATP
09. Mirror
Interesting!
Is it possible that the extra 3rd LP tracks are not from Sterling but are the bonus tracks that have been compiled for the 3rd LP Delux edition?
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iaredatsun
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Well, call me an idiot but I ordered it. I didn't get the extra DVD.
I will send cd copies to the first 2 or 3 people who ask for it who can then hopefully pass it on to others. Or if someone tells me what to do I will try and upload it to somewhere, but frankly I suspect the cd's will be easier as I can't do FLACs or mp9's whatever those pesky new-fangled formats are called. Maybe one of the people I send it to can do the boring uploading stuff.
I wont include the artwork but can maybe email or something.
It would be nice if someone could let me have the Sister Ray 'Swan Mix' or something if possible, thanks.
mr. datsun
I will send cd copies to the first 2 or 3 people who ask for it who can then hopefully pass it on to others. Or if someone tells me what to do I will try and upload it to somewhere, but frankly I suspect the cd's will be easier as I can't do FLACs or mp9's whatever those pesky new-fangled formats are called. Maybe one of the people I send it to can do the boring uploading stuff.
I wont include the artwork but can maybe email or something.
It would be nice if someone could let me have the Sister Ray 'Swan Mix' or something if possible, thanks.
mr. datsun
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iaredatsun
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Woah! OK, I've been understandably inundated with requests. I'm sending this thing out to as many as possible and making sure that at LEAST one person has offered to upload it.
Please send no more requests. Sorry, but I'm sure everyone will find it up in the near future.
I won't get my copy for 1 week, so expect it to take at least a couple of weeks to hit a torrent or whatever those clever internet savvy people will use.
Hope it 's worth all the excitement.
Please send no more requests. Sorry, but I'm sure everyone will find it up in the near future.
I won't get my copy for 1 week, so expect it to take at least a couple of weeks to hit a torrent or whatever those clever internet savvy people will use.
Hope it 's worth all the excitement.
underground, overground
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lurid_uk
just saw this thread yesterday - here are my thoughts....
in the "translation", I would read "EP" as single or 45, and "board" as "acetate" or "pressing". On that basis, CD1 has a bunch or alternate mixes or takes from the banana lp, and the source is acetates which belong(ed) to Moe. It would make sense for her to have those, but if that's the source, it seems odd that they have not surfaced before. Mike Kostek and Phil Milstein visited her more than once, so I'd have thought they would have been at least talked about before now. Tacked on the end are the mono mixes from the first Verve 45s.
CD2 is a mono mix of WL/WH, taken from a US white label DJ copy. I dont believe WH/WH was ever given a stock release in the USA, only in the UK and Canada. Tacked on teh end are teh mono mixes from the Verve 45. Then there are 4 "alternate mixes" from teh 3rd LP, supposedly from an acetate of Sterling's. If my memeory serves me correctly, alt mixes of these same 4 songs were on the original "22 demos" tape I got back in 1983. I remember thinking they were not very different, but maybe that was just my lo-fi cassette tape. Since most (all) of the other acetate material on "22 demos" came from Sterling's archive, it would make sense that this did as well. Again, the mono mixes of WGO and Jesus from the MGM promo 45 are tacked on the end.
While there seem to be numerous stereo promo copies of Loaded around, I've only ever "seen" 1 mono copy, and it was auctioned in Goldminbe magazine in 1994 0r 1995. I've been kicking myself ever since for not bidding, but the seller didn't make a big deal about it being mono, so I didn't quite appreciate how rare it was. If I read the translation correctly, it implies that there are only 2 copies extant. The last 2 tracks are from stock copy of the Cotillion 45.
So, by my reading, its not quite the Norman Dolph acetate, but it still sounds like a lot of interesting stuff. someone has collected together a range of studio alternate takes or mixes and made a nice set of them. Knowing the japanese attention to detail, the sound quality is probably superb....
It does seem a little odd for acetates of stuff from teh 1st lp has been in Moe's or Sterling's possession for so long and not even been hinted at before though...
in the "translation", I would read "EP" as single or 45, and "board" as "acetate" or "pressing". On that basis, CD1 has a bunch or alternate mixes or takes from the banana lp, and the source is acetates which belong(ed) to Moe. It would make sense for her to have those, but if that's the source, it seems odd that they have not surfaced before. Mike Kostek and Phil Milstein visited her more than once, so I'd have thought they would have been at least talked about before now. Tacked on the end are the mono mixes from the first Verve 45s.
CD2 is a mono mix of WL/WH, taken from a US white label DJ copy. I dont believe WH/WH was ever given a stock release in the USA, only in the UK and Canada. Tacked on teh end are teh mono mixes from the Verve 45. Then there are 4 "alternate mixes" from teh 3rd LP, supposedly from an acetate of Sterling's. If my memeory serves me correctly, alt mixes of these same 4 songs were on the original "22 demos" tape I got back in 1983. I remember thinking they were not very different, but maybe that was just my lo-fi cassette tape. Since most (all) of the other acetate material on "22 demos" came from Sterling's archive, it would make sense that this did as well. Again, the mono mixes of WGO and Jesus from the MGM promo 45 are tacked on the end.
While there seem to be numerous stereo promo copies of Loaded around, I've only ever "seen" 1 mono copy, and it was auctioned in Goldminbe magazine in 1994 0r 1995. I've been kicking myself ever since for not bidding, but the seller didn't make a big deal about it being mono, so I didn't quite appreciate how rare it was. If I read the translation correctly, it implies that there are only 2 copies extant. The last 2 tracks are from stock copy of the Cotillion 45.
So, by my reading, its not quite the Norman Dolph acetate, but it still sounds like a lot of interesting stuff. someone has collected together a range of studio alternate takes or mixes and made a nice set of them. Knowing the japanese attention to detail, the sound quality is probably superb....
It does seem a little odd for acetates of stuff from teh 1st lp has been in Moe's or Sterling's possession for so long and not even been hinted at before though...
Not sure exactly what you mean by that, Lurid? The source may not be the Norm Dolp acetate, but assuming the CD tracklist is accurate then my guess is they're the same tracks. The first 4 tracks from the 'Mono' CD are the same as side two of Norm's acetate, the next 5 are from side one. It looks like they've just copied them in the wrong order. If that's the case, then this is definitely more than just an interesting collection!lurid_uk wrote:So, by my reading, its not quite the Norman Dolph acetate,
Keep the faith
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