Sound quality - Live at End Cole Ave vs. Live 1969

Chris M · Post by **Chris M** » 04 Jan 2005 20:01

Does anyone know why the Live at End Cole Ave boot sounds better than Live 1969? If you compare the tracks that are common to both releases the Live at End Cole tracks sound like they come from lower gen tapes. Anyone know why??

Chris

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 04 Jan 2005 20:06

The End Cole Ave boot was put out by (or with the help of) the guy who made the original tapes. The Live '69 LP was compiled from copies of these tapes that were given to Steve Sesnick, and in some cases transferred to acetates and taped again.

The SF Matrix soundboard tapes would be interesting to hear. These were made by the guy who owned the club and made it on to the Live '69 LP in the same way: master > Sesnick's copy > acetate (?) > tape. The masters will be much better, and of course more complete. Apparently these were going to be put out as a future instalment in the Bootleg Series but the owner of the tapes was asking for too much money

Chris M · Post by **Chris M** » 04 Jan 2005 20:15

Thanks Mark!! Does the Matrix stuff exist as multitracks? What songs from Live 1969 come from the Matrix? Lastly, how much stuff from the Matrix SB(s) is unbooted? Sorry for all the questions...

Thanks again,

Chris

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 05 Jan 2005 01:00

Chris M wrote:Thanks Mark!! Does the Matrix stuff exist as multitracks?

I don't know whether it exists as multitrack or straight stereo. There was an interview a couple of years ago in some San Francisco newspaper - the Chronicle maybe? - with the club owner who explains the whole deal with the tapes. Does anyone have this archived

What songs from Live 1969 come from the Matrix?

Virtually all of them. Copied from Olandem's site with a few additions from me:

Side 1 :
1. Waiting for My Man (7:00)
2. Lisa Says (5:46)
3. What Goes On (8:47)
4. Sweet Jane (3:58 )

Side 2 :
5. We're Gonna Have A Real Good Time Together (3:12)
6. Femme Fatale (3:01)
7. New Age (6:31)
8. Rock and Roll (6:00)
9. Beginning To See The Light (5:26)

Side 3 :
10. Ocean (10:46)
11. Pale Blue Eyes ( 5:50)
12. Heroin (9:42)

Side 4 :
13. Some Kinda Love (4:44)
14. Over You (2:15)
15. Sweet Bonnie Brown/It's Just Too Much (7:50)
16. White Light/White Heat (8:32)
17. I'll Be Your Mirror (2:17)

CD bonus tracks :
18. Heroin (8:14)
19. I Can't Stand It (7:51)

1, 6, 11, 17 & intro 13 : End of Cole Ave, Dallas, Texas, October 19, 1969 / 2-5, 7-10, 12-19 : The Matrix, San Francisco, California, November 1969.

Lastly, how much stuff from the Matrix SB(s) is unbooted?

Everything apart from what's on Live 1969. There must have been at least two nights recorded as we can see from the above that there are two versions of Heroin. Very frustrating that it's all under lock and key.

jimjim · Post by **jimjim** » 05 Jan 2005 10:46

Chris M wrote:Thanks Mark!! Does the Matrix stuff exist as multitracks? What songs from Live 1969 come from the Matrix? Lastly, how much stuff from the Matrix SB(s) is unbooted? Sorry for all the questions...

Thanks again,

Chris

There was a guy who either posted here or on my jimjims group who had access to the Matrix tapes and *I think* said they were multitrack (which is why he enthused about them so much).

If his post is not here...check the archive at jimjims under 'theory'. The link is in my personal details here.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » 05 Jan 2005 10:57

jimjim wrote: *I think* said they were multitrack (which is why he enthused about them so much)

I remember this (maybe it was the big yellow board?) and am sure he said it was multitrack - he had been working for Universal I think and he was preparing rough mixes for consideration around the same time as the Quine Tapes (with some of the same performances), but as stated above, I think the story is that the owner was asking too much for the licensing...
Maybe Sal can confirm this?

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 05 Jan 2005 15:03

jimjim wrote:There was a guy who either posted here or on my jimjims group who had access to the Matrix tapes and *I think* said they were multitrack (which is why he enthused about them so much).

If his post is not here...check the archive at jimjims under 'theory'. The link is in my personal details here.

I've just had a quick scan through JimJims and the old yellow board and I can't find any mention of these, except something from Levenson saying that it's a shame the release of the tapes didn't go ahead because the quality is excellent.

I did find another interesting snippet though, which I'll post in another thread...

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 05 Jan 2005 15:35

Aha, this is what I was talking about:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 118582.DTL

SF Chronicle article from 18nov01. Former Matrix owner Peter Abrams quoted as saying about the Quine tapes, "It's a shame they would've used somebody's cassette tapes. I still have about four hours of recordings of the absolute best stuff they did at the Matrix."

jimjim · Post by **jimjim** » 05 Jan 2005 16:21

Mark wrote:
jimjim wrote:There was a guy who either posted here or on my jimjims group who had access to the Matrix tapes and *I think* said they were multitrack (which is why he enthused about them so much).

If his post is not here...check the archive at jimjims under 'theory'. The link is in my personal details here.
I've just had a quick scan through JimJims and the old yellow board and I can't find any mention of these, except something from Levenson saying that it's a shame the release of the tapes didn't go ahead because the quality is excellent.

I did find another interesting snippet though, which I'll post in another thread...

Try this: http://www.velvetforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... ght=matrix

Homme Fatale · Post by **Homme Fatale** » 05 Jan 2005 16:50

jimjim wrote:Try this: http://www.velvetforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... ght=matrix

Great stuff on that thread... for some weird reason I don't even recall reading it before...