Interesting Stuff On the Hoffman Forum

PhantomRaspberryBlower · Post by **PhantomRaspberryBlower** » 30 Mar 2007 20:32

I don't think this has been mentioned hereabouts;

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... p?t=109459

Some very interesting info is coming to light there regarding what may be lurking in the vault, particularly on page 6...

tarbaby2 · Post by **tarbaby2** » 30 Mar 2007 21:37

Thanks for the info! But, it's sad to read about the possibility of there being even more stuff that we won't get to hear just because some of the people who control it "can't play well together"!

Chris M · Post by **Chris M** » 31 Mar 2007 02:03

Here is a link to the post in question.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showp ... tcount=110

That guy is legit. He's the taper of the Second Fret shows and has said that Polygram has digital copies of his tapes..

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showp ... tcount=111

tarbaby2 · Post by **tarbaby2** » 31 Mar 2007 03:46

We've heard how great the "real" Matrix shows sound due to the sampler that's been going around here. And now to know that digital copies of the 2nd Fret shows are just sitting and gathering dust somewhere is agonizing -- and frustrating!!!

"FREE THE VU TAPES!!!!"

Chris M · Post by **Chris M** » 31 Mar 2007 09:01

I should mention that I asked the poster for a copy of his 2nd Fret master(s) in case anyone was thinking of contacting him..

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 01 Apr 2007 22:40

From http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showp ... tcount=110:

It is very hard to tell anything from the printout. There is a version of "Searching" that is marked 17:25. But there are a lot of seeming mistakes in the names of songs, so I'm not sure if the times will always be correct. Some strange song titles credited to VU on these are Get Together, Black Widow Blues, Diddy Wha, It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow, Sally Sex, Wordless, She'll Make You Cry, Send Me No Letter. Maybe some of those were working titles.

Searching would Sister Ray, and we all know they only recorded that once!

Wordless, She'll Make You Cry and Send Me No Letter are all Squeeze tracks.

So that leaves:

Get Together
Black Widow Blues
Diddy Wha
It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow
Sally Sex

Hmmm... anyone care to guess what these might be?

radiofreesimulacrum · Post by **radiofreesimulacrum** » 01 Apr 2007 23:12

Just a guess on a couple;
Black Widow Blues =Countess from Hong Kong
It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow= Hey Mr Rain

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 01 Apr 2007 23:15

radiofreesimulacrum wrote:Black Widow Blues =Countess from Hong Kong

That was recorded after they'd left MGM, so Polygram wouldn't have it in their vaults

It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow= Hey Mr Rain

Hmmmmmmm.... possible I guess

radiofreesimulacrum · Post by **radiofreesimulacrum** » 02 Apr 2007 07:43

[quote="Mark"][quote="radiofreesimulacrum"]Black Widow Blues =Countess from Hong Kong[/quote]
That was recorded after they'd left MGM, so Polygram wouldn't have it in their vaults[quote]

I didn't really put to much thought into it. I was just free associating what titles would work,but interestingly the PSAS booklet list Countess as being written by Lou Reed/John Cale,so It could be possible that there is an earlier Cale version of the song.
I was looking at the lost songs page on the Olandem site http://members.aol.com/olandem5/lostsong.html
and this jumped out at me as a possible for Get Together:

"Get It On Time
John Davies Cale, Lou A. Reed
John Cale Music Inc, Oakfield Avenue Music Ltd

This song was registred on April 22, 1966. That date let think it could be an outtake from the recording sessions of The Velvet Underground And Nico album. The only known version is available on a rehearsal tape recorded at the Factory on March 7, 1966, and was used for the All Tomorrow's Parties CD."

arjan · Post by **arjan** » 02 Apr 2007 09:54

Mark wrote:So that leaves:

Get Together
Black Widow Blues
Diddy Wha
It's Gonna Rain Tomorrow
Sally Sex

Some of these might be covers. "Diddy Wha" may well be "Diddy Wah Diddy" by band favourite Bo Diddley (what else could it be?).