WHAT BOOTLEG NEEDS AN UPGRADE?!

[Evolution One]

I've been really surprised to see how poorly the response has been to what both mg196 & GroovyMusic have been trying to do here!!!

Mind you, as it says here I suppose:

I can't believe it didn't even reach 10...I guess it's just "old news" to everyone here.

It's just different for people who are newer to this like I am because we are just starting to get hold of the bootlegs so we would probably vote for all of them given a chance!

It's still a little disappointing when somebody who cares about the music is willing to spend time and energy on a new transfer and only 25 (so far) people seem to care! Just so you know mg196, I'm sure there are people here, like me, who really do appreciate your effort!! Same to you GroovyMusic, I'd happily swap with you but the only one's that I do have to swap are the one's that I have got from here...I'm fairly sure that if you wanted those, you'd already have them?

[GroovyMusic]

I'd really like vinyl-transfers of Live At End Cole Ave. and SEARCHIN' FOR MY MAINLINE.

[gordon]

The vinyl and CD issues of "End Cole Ave" were both mastered from the same DAT copy of the original tapes, so I dont really see any advantage in a "vinyl transfer". They're not hi-fi experiences so I dont see any "vinyl is better than CD" argument either.

Has the vinyl "Mainline" set never been transfered? I have the vinyl but not the means to transfer.....

[GroovyMusic]

The vinyl and CD issues of "End Cole Ave" were both mastered from the same DAT copy of the original tapes, so I dont really see any advantage in a "vinyl transfer". They're not hi-fi experiences so I dont see any "vinyl is better than CD" argument either.

I personally think that the warm effect of vinyl would enhance it.

As far as a transfer of SEARCHIN' FOR MY MAINLINE, why don't you lend your copy to mg196 or someone?

[MJG196]

The vinyl and CD issues of "End Cole Ave" were both mastered from the same DAT copy of the original tapes, so I dont really see any advantage in a "vinyl transfer". They're not hi-fi experiences so I dont see any "vinyl is better than CD" argument either.

Those are excellent points. I wouldn't even bother transfering the LP if I had it, then. DAT -> Vinyl -> CD makes no sense when DAT -> CD is available. Just adds to the lineage.

It is Sunday afternoon as I write this. I will be converting the LPs on Monday. I have been working night-shifts this weekend, which is why the stuff isn't posted already!!

[GroovyMusic]

The vinyl and CD issues of "End Cole Ave" were both mastered from the same DAT copy of the original tapes, so I dont really see any advantage in a "vinyl transfer". They're not hi-fi experiences so I dont see any "vinyl is better than CD" argument either.

Those are excellent points. I wouldn't even bother transfering the LP if I had it, then. DAT -> Vinyl -> CD makes no sense when DAT -> CD is available. Just adds to the lineage.

You could look at it from a technical perpective or you could be realisitic about it. Live At End Cole Ave. is a very dry recording and I think vinyl distortion would enhance it...'moisten it up a bit.

The recordings that are technically better don't always sound the best!

And as a vinyl-fan you should know that many people specifically LIKE the way vinyl alters the sound.

[Sunshine]

I go conform with you Groovy. I think vinyl has a more warm sound than a CD ever can have. Lots of the so-called remastered recordings has a metallic sound. People become colder and so is the technic of today.

The only advantage of a CD is that you can play them 1 Mio times and if the CDR is no 'carbon' CDR it will demage after 15 to 20 years; even an industrial produced CD. A vinyl doesn't and the sound is still warm after 50 years like on the first day.

Chris

[GroovyMusic]

I just hafta add two things to what you said:

1 Sometimes vinyl-warmth makes recordings sound worse (the ones that aren't warm themselves)

2 Transferring vinyl to CD--although it doesn't capture the original vinyl perfectly--still captures that warmth and that's why I think a vinyl-transfer would sound better than the DAT transfer (for this particular recording)

[MJG196]

Please...this must not become yet another thread full of audio misinformation.

Vinyl "distortion?" I do not want any of my recordings distorted. LP's can sound good or they can sound like crap, just like any other recording. They can be harsh or warm or muddy just like any cassette or reel or CD. My copy of The Heartbreakers "L.A.M.F." on vinyl sounds like CRAP compared to the cassette release. My vinyl copy of Lou Reed's solo debut sounds like CRAP compared to the CD-reissue.

Personally I find End of Cole Ave to be pretty 'warm,' with most of the freq's in the mid to low ranges. I flip the "tone" switch on my receiver, add a little more treble and hit the 8khz filter, and it sounds MUCH better. Much less hiss, much clearer.

I have a feeling that a lot of people here listen to their music on cheap speakers, where EVERYTHING sounds harsh. A decent set of speakers and even a low-end amp can make your music sound MUCH better than when played through your computer or cheap system.

Before you worry about trying to warm-up or 'moisten' sound through adding to the lineage, try adjusting the bass/treble knobs on your receiver/amp. That usually cures most ills.

[GroovyMusic]

Live At End Cole Ave. would benefit from a ridiculous amount of warmth-saturation and muffling...it's like a pancake with no syrup that just needs to be smothered to the point where it's soaked it all up like a sponge and can't absorb anymore...I want it to sound like you're hearing it from the next goddamn room!