Underdeveloped phases in the V.U.'s history

Homme Fatale · Post by **Homme Fatale** » 20 Jul 2005 09:56

dsulpy wrote:HUH?
There was a (very reasonable) suggestion that we take the "When did the V.U. End?" topic to it's own thread. To that end, I started a thread on that subject with the above post. Someone (a mod, I presume) decided to delete that, and put my last post back HERE.... exactly where I DIDN'T want it. To quote the guys... What Goes On?

You were quoting and replying to an earlier post in this thread. To me it seemed weird starting a new thread that directly deals with posts from an earlier one. Maybe you should have been a bit clearer about it...

Ondrej · Post by **Ondrej** » 20 Jul 2005 15:19

Bass player is not Chas Stanley - he was there as Death not as Bishop. Piero looked much different and he unexpectedly joined band on sax during Venus In Furs. Bass player is not mentioned in film cast on my Piero page. He was a young poet and his name will be probably familiar only to big expert of NY underground.

I do not have complete version of "Making" and all I saw was in BBC documentaries. I suppose BBC, CBS and Warhol Museum should have a complete verson (probably with original soundtrack). If someone could get into their archives... Maybe Rosie Lee?

Ondrej

dsulpy · Post by **dsulpy** » 20 Jul 2005 15:47

Ondrej,
The documentaries reportedly do not contain the original soundtrack. Can you confirm if they do or don't, please?

Doctor Bob · Post by **Doctor Bob** » 20 Jul 2005 17:21

arjan wrote:
* (perhaps) the smooth line in "Rock and Roll" (but as all the other lead work here is Doug's, this may also be his)

What about the short distorted solo in the outro of Rock n Roll? Is that Yule? I always thought it had a very Sterling-type circular phrasing

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 20 Jul 2005 18:16

tyu23666 wrote:'dougie' is an idiot and a leech, so was sesnick.
the velvets ended when cale was booted.
the grey album is a good lou solo album.
loaded is a big pile of shit, not even a decent lou solo album.
there you have it.

That's that sorted out then!

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 21 Jul 2005 19:26

Ondrej wrote:Bass player is not Chas Stanley - he was there as Death not as Bishop. Piero looked much different and he unexpectedly joined band on sax during Venus In Furs. Bass player is not mentioned in film cast on my Piero page. He was a young poet and his name will be probably familiar only to big expert of NY underground.

Is that a clue? No idea!

arjan · Post by **arjan** » 22 Jul 2005 08:48

Doctor Bob wrote:What about the short distorted solo in the outro of Rock n Roll? Is that Yule? I always thought it had a very Sterling-type circular phrasing

I listened to the tracks with headphones on so as not to harass the SO; if it wasn't for the feedback preceding it, I'd say yes. But that feedback doesn't sound like Sterling at all. But it may be another part played by Doug or Lou with Sterling joining in for the later bit, I couldn't tell all of the guitar tracks apart due to their high density.

Out of curiosity, I also listened to the Another View version once again and although in general it's too gentle, too provisional, I must say I really like the final "All right" backing vocals and the way Maureen uses a marching-band-cum-shuffle roll on the snare drums to come back into the song after the chopped-chords break ─ subtle yet unmistakable, as with all of her contributions!

Homme Fatale · Post by **Homme Fatale** » 22 Jul 2005 11:12

arjan wrote:Out of curiosity, I also listened to the Another View version once again and although in general it's too gentle, too provisional, I must say I really like the final "All right" backing vocals

Agreed! To me the perfect version would be the Loaded one edited together with that end bit... I love it!