how many versions of sister ray

dsulpy · Post by **dsulpy** » 25 Feb 2005 14:18

Upsetter wrote:I've also got a copy of the white label dj promo of the third album, which according to Olandem http://members.aol.com/olandem5/odlpus.html has a 'drier' mix variant of Lou's mix which is otherwise unavailable. I personally find it difficult to tell the difference. Now, easytree won't be usable for this but I'll torrent it elsewhere if people are interested?

Yes, please!

upsetter · Post by **upsetter** » 25 Feb 2005 14:50

lurid_uk wrote:I have a 4th gen tape of the complete 12/12/68 show, now burned onto 2 CDRs. If some-one else can copy and distribute it Im happy to supply the source material to them....

Lurid, I presume you're in the UK? Me too - I'll happily deal with the transfer and torrenting of this.

tikky · Post by **tikky** » 28 Feb 2005 04:15

oh, the fourth gen would be great to hear...I'm sure it is far superior to my copy.

cult · Post by **cult** » 02 Mar 2005 11:39

awsome! thanks for the list...i ve always meant to do this, but never had the will to go through all the tapes and sources..this is very halphull & i have already made this 'odyssey of sister ray' compilation - vu only - no lou reed (i am only short of 1969 oct 19 version) and i must say it is one hell of a yourney...
anyway, i appreciate your effort..thanks...

tarbaby2 wrote:After starting this thread I did my own research and came up with a list of all the known versions of Sister Ray that I could find (only VU & Lou - no covers). I've listed the date, time, venue, and CD/LP it can be found on:

1967
April 26 & 27 ? Searchin? (~15.00 & ~20.00) ? Boston Tea Party ? Last Shows w. Nico ? Not Recorded?
Sept. ? Searchin? (17.25) ? Twisted Stars (Disc 4, cut #1 ? ?Swan? mix)

1968
April 30 ? Sweet Sister Ray (39.40) ? La Cave ? Sweet Sister Ray / Twisted Stars / Sweet Sister Ray?s Murder Mystery
Oct. 2 ? Sister Ray (10.30) ? La Cave ? Problems In Urban Living
Dec. 1 ? Sister Ray (18.33) ? Music Hall, Cleveland, Ohio
Dec. 12 ? Sister Ray (24.47) ? Boston Tea Party ? Legendaly Guitar Amp Tape(?) / Boston Tea Party / Sweet Sister Ray

1969
Jan. 10 ? Sister Ray (21.57) ? Boston Tea Party ? Searchin? For My Mainline / A Walk With The Velvet Underground vol. 2
Jan. 28/29 ? Sister Ray-Murder Mystery-Sister Ray (28.14) ? La Cave ? Sweet Sister Ray?s Murder Mystery / Ostrich-Hilltop Festival
March 13 ? Sister Ray-Murder Mystery (22.05) ? Boston Tea Party ? Ultra Rare Trax vol. 3
March 15 ? Heroin-Sister Ray [Guitar Amp version] (34.25) ? Boston Tea Party ? Legendaly Guitar Amp Tape / Sweet Sister Ray / Wild Side Of The Street
May 11 ? Sister Ray-Foggy Notion (28.43) ? Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri ? Quine Tapes
Summer ? Sister Ray (~45.00) ? Electric Factory, Philadelphia ? Not Recorded?
July 11 ? Sister Ray-Murder Mystery (20.37) ? Boston Tea Party ? Sweet Sister Ray
October ? Sister Ray ? Music Hall, Cleveland, Ohio ? Not Recorded?
Oct. 18 ? Sister Ray (17.47) ? End Cole Ave. ? End Cole Ave.
Oct. 19 ? Sister Ray (14.03 faded) ? End Cole Ave. ? A True Rock ?n Roller
Oct 23-25 ? Sister Ray (~45.00) ? Vulcan Gas Co., Austin, Texas ? Recorded, but tapes are lost
Nov. 7 ? Sister Ray (24.03) ? Family Dog, San Francisco ? Quine Tapes
Dec. 1-3 ? Sister Ray (38.00) ? The Matrix, San Francisco ? Quine Tapes

1970
Jan. 3 ? Sister Ray (8.55) ? 2nd Fret, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania(?) ? Searchin? For My Mainline / Flowers Of Evil
Jan. 15-21 ? Sister Ray(?) ? Quiet Knight(?) ? Chicago, Illinois(?) ? Not Recorded?

1971
Nov. 5 ? Sister Ray / Never Going Back To Georgia (13:08) ? School Of African & Oriental Studies, London, England ? Final V.U. 1971-1973
Nov. 19 ? Sister Ray (15:02) ? Concertgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands ? Final V.U. 1971-1973 / Live In Amsterdam

1972
Oct. 14 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Leicester University, United Kingdom
Nov. 1 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Mile End, London, England ? Some Kinda Love ? Sister Ray listed not included
Dec. 6 ? Sister Ray (8:57) ? St David's University, Lampeter, Wales ? Final V.U. 1971-1973
Dec. 22 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Music Hall, Cleveland, Ohio
Dec. 31 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Main Point, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

1973
Jan. 27 ? Sister Ray (9.03) ? Lou Reed & the Tots ? Alice Tully Hall, New York ? Phantom Of Rock
Jan. 29 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Humpin? Hannah?s, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Sept. 1 ? Sister Ray ? Tanglewood Festival, Lenox, Massachusetts ? Rock And Roll Mammal

1974
May 14 ? Sister Ray (8.03) ? Lou Reed ? Konserthuset, Stockholm, Sweden ? Waiting For Lou / What Ever Happened To Dick & Steve / Live Stockholm 1974 / Stiff On This Legend

1976
Oct. 29 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Orpheum Theatre, Boston, Massachusetts (encore)

1977
March 26 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Olympen Theatre, Lund, Sweden
April 6 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Jaap Edenhall, Amsterdam, Holland
April 20 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Vienna, Austria

1978
April 22 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Passaic Theatre, Passaic, New Jersey (encore)

1979
April 1 ? Sister Ray/Twist & Shout/Magic Touch/Sweet ? Lou Reed ? Philipshalle, Dusseldorf, Germany
April 10 ? Rock And Roll/You Keep Me Hangin' On/Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Hammersmith Odeon, London, England
Oct. 18 ? Sister Ray/Kicks ? Lou Reed ? Hammersmith Odeon, London, England

1980
June 19 ? Sister Ray/Leave Me Alone ? Lou Reed ? Plaza de las Arenas, Barcelona, Spain

1983
Feb. 25 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Bottom Line, New York, New York (late show encore)
Feb. 26 ? Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Bottom Line, New York, New York, (early show encore)
Sept. 6 ? Sister Ray/Some Kinda Love (15.30) ? Lou Reed ? Stadio Ruffino, Turin, Italy ? Live In Italy
Sept. 7 ? Some Kinda Love/Sister Ray ? Lou Reed ? Arena, Verona, Italy

lurid_uk · Post by **lurid_uk** » 03 Mar 2005 14:11

upsetter - send me your name/address and I'll mail you the 12/12/68 2CDRs. (email me on gordon.lyon@baesystems.com) you can then copy/transfer/torrent/distribute them as needed and send me the "masters" back.

Chance · Post by **Chance** » 03 Mar 2005 15:47

lurid_uk wrote:and send me the "masters" back.

Careful with that, stuff does get lost in the mail. I've had a "mishap" here and there with trades. I'd play it safe and send a copy. Exact Audio Copy is a free download and produces perfect digital clones, no? (I haven't used it, but I think so.) Just trying to avoid anyone losing a good quality recording of a rare show...

dsulpy · Post by **dsulpy** » 04 Mar 2005 05:43

Can someone explain what the "Swan" mix is? -- not how it differs, but why it's called this, and where it's from.

Thanks

!

tarbaby2 · Post by **tarbaby2** » 04 Mar 2005 06:26

it's called the "swan" mix because the cover art on the album had an illustration of a swan on it. i think it was a french release.

simonm · Post by **simonm** » 04 Mar 2005 09:51

It was a US release on the MGM subsid label Pride in 1973, it's not rare.
Credits say "produced for Reissue by Michael Viner". It's a cleaner mix of Sister Ray if that's possible - I haven't listened to it much but I remember the last 5 mins sounding a lot clearer, louder drums, more track separation. I lay on the floor with my head between the speakers at high volume - sounded great, but the version I go back to is the mono. Acoording to O's site Kostek's VU book says it's only mastered differently, but it sounds like a diff mix to me.

A bit of an oddity, though. Viner became known as something of a hotshot producer in the 70s apparently, and released a couple of LPs on Pride, as the Incredible Bongo Band.

lurid_uk · Post by **lurid_uk** » 04 Mar 2005 13:55

thanks for the warning, but I'll always retain my 4th gen cassette and could re-burn it if the CDs got lost. And if worst comes to worst, I could get another copy of the cassette... (I've been trading VU and Lou Reed tapes and stuff for 20 years and have never yet had something go missing - maybe I've just been lucky).