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Pernod time wrote:Lou never bothers to play New Age live, you know why, the same reason he makes excuses about not playing the Sweet Jane bridge, because hes afraid he will f*** it up, anything with more than 4 chords confuses him live, since his 70s smack day he finds it difficult to sing and play more complex chord structures at the same time, I noticed this years ago, but hes still great live, thats punk rock for you :D
Pernod I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but that's certainly not true regarding those songs being too difficult for Lou to play live after his 70's smack days...for a start:

1) Lou plays the heavenly wine and roses bridge perfectly in the reunion tour 1993.
2) Lou plays New Age without a problem on 'A Night With Lou Reed' DVD which is filmed live in the Bottom Line Club in NYC around 1983 I think.
3) Lou has often played and sung over some chord structures that are much more complicated than the ones you mention. Examples are live performances of stuff from Magic and Loss and the New York album ('Halloween Parade" for instance changes key in each verse and must have close to 20 chords in it).
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Hey Dr. Bob, I am in total agreement. Pernod is also forgetting that during Lou's "smack day" as he calls it, he hardly played guitar at all...even on record. Only after he started to trade the smack for booze did he start to play anything close to resembling a rhythm guitar.

As far as finding it "difficult to sing and play more complex chord structures," well, there really arent all that many songs in his catalog that have much more than 4 chords! As Lou was once quoted, "2 chords is rock and roll, and anything more than that is Jazz."
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I did mean it slightly jokingly, but i think there is some truth in what i was mentioning. Lou is paranoid about his limitations as a guitarist, thats why he always blabbers on about a lot of technical muso crap in interviews, and why he mentions things in concert about "augmented chords". He does have limited technical skills, but who gives a shit, he makes great music out of very little, in my opinion this makes him nearly a genius. I also know what I'm talking about technical wise as I can play around 50 of his songs off by heart, I play in a Velvets cover band
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Post by Stephen Says »

lol... I never thought about it before, but Lou does talk as though he wants to impress guitar experts.
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Pernod time wrote: I also know what I'm talking about technical wise as I can play around 50 of his songs off by heart, I play in a Velvets cover band
Yeah ditto me too on both accounts Pernod so I guess we're at a stalemate on that one 8)

I think Lou is actually incredibly underrated as a guitar player, sure he doesn't have much in the way of lightning chops or advanced technique a la Steve Vai or some clown like that. However he has unbelievable instinct not just in songwriting but in his soloing. I haven't seen him improvise on stage particularly in the last several years but in the nineties he was playing some phenomenal lead guitar. A few choice examples follow:

Hey Mr Rain, Velvet Redux 1993-Reed and Cale duel away on guitar and viola to awesome effect

I'm Sticking with You, Velvet Redux 1993-Just check out that stunning guitar outro, most people assume that was Sterling playing because its so effortless and perfect, but in fact it is Lou-most guitar players would give their left testicle to come up with a passage like that. I expect it is his love of guitar players like James Burton that makes that kind of playing possible

Forever Changed, Songs for Drella 1990-On this entire album actually Lou's guitar solos and guitar fills are completely exquisite, utterly tasteful and incredibly instinctive. And these aren't just studio overdubs of dubious significance, he played the hell out of all those songs live on the short tour of Songs for Drella, particularly at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, which is captured in all its glory on the commercially available video performance of that album

The only time period where I think most of your comments hold particularly true is that period in the 1980s when Robert Quine was getting Lou to dust off his guitar and start playing more on his records and in his live shows, rather than relying on flamboyant session men as he had done through most of the 70's. And at that point Reed was understandably somewhat shaky and tentative while getting back into the groove of playing. That was all gone by 1989 though.

The comment about the augmented chord was made 35 years ago as an off hand comment, Lou knows full well that his songs are mostly written with 3 or 4 simple chords, and he celebrates that (just listen to the introductory chat on Animal Serenade Live 2003). But that is a slightly different issue, it is to do with songwriting rather than guitar playing.

And in interview etc, I think Lou tends to be obsessed with a lot of audiophile technical gadgetry etc which I just think of as his audiophile musings rather than particularly connected to guitar playing as such.
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Post by Cameo Role »

I agree with Lou being insecure. I think he wants to be accepted into the 'club' but knows he can't join. Either way, he was on the Rolling Stone top 100 guitar players list, but they didn't list jazz guitarists so how can it be taken seriously?
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