Loaded 'hack surgery'

Homme Fatale · Post by **Homme Fatale** » 20 Jan 2005 15:44

Mark wrote:
Pig Related wrote:And I always wondered what the order of the tracks should've been on Loaded.
I wonder if the picture of the tape box on disc 5 of Peel Slowly & See gives any clues? If you've noticed, each song is assigned a number, but they're all out of sequence. Perhaps these numbers indicate Lou's original planned sequence? If so, Loaded would have run like this:

SIDE 1
Who Loves The Sun
Sweet Jane
Train Round The Bend
New Age
Rock & Roll

SIDE 2
Cool It Down
Lonesome Cowboy Bill
Oh! Sweet Nuthin'
Head Held High
I Found A Reason

Hmm... maybe this is a red herring...

I'm convinced "Head Held High" was meant to follow "I Found A Reason"... Check out the fade out of the latter and the fade in of the former!

jimjim · Post by **jimjim** » 20 Jan 2005 16:06

Mark wrote: Train Round The Bend
....The Fully Loaded 'alt mix' also sounds, to my ears at least, much better than the LP version. It would be interesting to know whether this mix was done at the time or was prepared from the original multitracks specifically for Fully Loaded... anyone?

The cranked-up drums & bass on this make this version kick ass and way superior to the LP version IMHO. The start of the extras verse does sound a little garbled and odd sounding so perhaps that was why it was cut out.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 20 Jan 2005 16:34

Homme Fatale wrote:I'm convinced "Head Held High" was meant to follow "I Found A Reason"... Check out the fade out of the latter and the fade in of the former!

I read this and thought "Nah, I can see what he's getting that, but they won't be the same - the songs are in different keys aren't they?"

Then I checked the CD, and bloody hell, you're right!

Unbelievers, listen here

Amazing... well spotted.

Homme Fatale · Post by **Homme Fatale** » 20 Jan 2005 16:40

Mark wrote:
Homme Fatale wrote:I'm convinced "Head Held High" was meant to follow "I Found A Reason"... Check out the fade out of the latter and the fade in of the former!

I read this and thought "Nah, I can see what he's getting that, but they won't be the same - the songs are in different keys aren't they?"

Then I checked the CD, and bloody hell, you're right!

Unbelievers, listen here

Amazing... well spotted.

F... me, I'm good!

Hearing them back to back like that makes it even more obvious. Why on earth did they ruin this sequence, even if just for these two songs?! That sounds great!

Stephen Says · Post by **Stephen Says** » 21 Jan 2005 02:37

Why would they not fix the sequence when making the deluxe version?

arjan · Post by **arjan** » 21 Jan 2005 09:09

Stephen Says wrote:Why would they not fix the sequence when making the deluxe version?

Well, possibly because the LP has been in people's mind this way for so long and stands as it is, flaws and all. What they could (and perhaps should) have done is issue a separate alternative version of it in the vein of Let It Be...Naked (only with a less cringeworthy title, I think "Fully Loaded" already was pushing it).

Doctor Bob · Post by **Doctor Bob** » 21 Jan 2005 10:30

Mark wrote:Doug denies all knowledge ("There's a nasty splice on the end of New Age that reverses the chord changes. It sounds like a post production change, I don't remember it at all.")

OK I realise that they chopped off the extended 'Its the beginning, of a new age...' coda, but whats this about reversed chord changes!?! Anyone know what this is referring to??

Pernod time · Post by **Pernod time** » 21 Jan 2005 11:11

Lou never bothers to play New Age live, you know why, the same reason he makes excuses about not playing the Sweet Jane bridge, because hes afraid he will f*** it up, anything with more than 4 chords confuses him live, since his 70s smack day he finds it difficult to sing and play more complex chord structures at the same time, I noticed this years ago, but hes still great live, thats punk rock for you

arjan · Post by **arjan** » 21 Jan 2005 11:36

Doctor Bob wrote:OK I realise that they chopped off the extended 'Its the beginning, of a new age...' coda, but whats this about reversed chord changes!?! Anyone know what this is referring to??

I think he means that whoever edited the thing f***ed up and did not let the chord structure intact, a chord or a few beats of a chord missing or resuming at the wrong chord (note that not the entire end section is chopped off -- rather, the "beginning of a new age" section is shortened and the fuzz bass ending is tacked on again). I can't really hear it, the chord reversal, but there is something strange about at least the volume of Doug's fuzz bass, it starts somewhere low in the mix then leaps up front, suggesting a bad edit that was done from a mixdown tape, not the multitracks (or else they'd have been able to get their levels right).

I think the people who compiled PSAS came across a hasty test edit (the "long" version), thought this was the complete version, and so included it in the box set. The "full length" version must've re-appeared after the release of PSAS or else they surely would have preferred that one.

arjan · Post by **arjan** » 21 Jan 2005 13:06

BTW, I think the concept for Fully Loaded is less than perfect, the idea of creating an "alternate" album is OK but leapfrogging between alternate mixes and demos makes for low consistency. What they could've done is group the outtakes, alternate takes and demos together in their respective categories and create a audio "making of" documentary from demos to finished work. An alternative album could've been made from the "original" sequencing and "full length" versions as discussed earlier.