Ride Into The Sun Instrumental with added vocal

[Elvis Plebsley]

Someone on YouTube has had a go at overlaying the What Goes on vocal version of Ride Into the Sun with the Instrumental from VU. The timing of the vocal on the acetate sounds just a bit off to me, so it sounds a bit off here too.

Editing just to add that I think they've altered the placement of the vocal a bit more than I initially thought, but I haven't done an A/B comparison. An interesting companion to Bobbydriver's experiment anyway.

See what you think: https://youtu.be/0NZFABnbciw?feature=shared

[searchin4mymainline]

This is a different one from a few days ago, with vocals placed differently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0cB2CbBWk

[Mark]

Neither one's quite right somehow! Vocal comes in too late on the first, too early on the second. And it does kind of highlight the discrepancy in sound quality. Interesting to hear though for sure, and possibly points toward a better version being possible one of these days.

Does the acetate run a little fast/slow, or are the vocals just hopelessly out-of-tune?

I can never remember, is the acetate the same take as VU?

[Elvis Plebsley]

This is a different one from a few days ago, with vocals placed differently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0cB2CbBWk

That was the one I intended to share and explains my confusion about the alteration of the vocal placement. I think I prefer this one because they place the vocal without making the changes in the one I shared.

I think the acetate is the same take. Olivier certainly implies it is. The instrumental and acetate run at different speeds. When I tried to overlay the two, I found it difficult to beat match them, but my skills and patience are low.

In the acetate, I find Lou's vocal a bit off the beat, which compounds the difficulties matching. Maybe that's why They ditched the vox for VU.

[bobbydriver]

I did my version a very long time ago now, when the software to isolate vocals was pretty primitive - and it shows!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHO9IvaoBk

[searchin4mymainline]

bobbydriver's version is the vocals from the acetate put onto the instrumental version from Another View.

The new versions don't use the vocals from the acetate - check the opening line. Different lyrics. The version on the "What Goes On" set, which is the version they're using for the vocals, isn't from the acetate, even though it says it is in the booklet with that release. The "What Goes On" version is, according to Olivier's site, from the same session as the instrumental version on Another View, and is apparently the same take, but a different edit/mix. So these news versions are taking the vocals from one edit/mix of the take and putting them onto another edit/mix of the same take. Is everyone still with me?

[Mark]

Hang on, which acetate are we talking about? I know there was a later acetate version of Ride from an entirely separate session - same source as Countess from Hong Kong etc.

But my understanding was that the What Goes On version of Ride - the one we're talking about here - was sourced from the same set of acetates as the Live 1969 recordings. The actual recording may have been the same session as the Another View version, but it has reached us via an acetate. (And possibly a couple of cassette generations, judging by the sound quality).

[Mark]

PS - and yes, Bobbydriver's version does use the later acetate source.

[searchin4mymainline]

Hang on, which acetate are we talking about? I know there was a later acetate version of Ride from an entirely separate session - same source as Countess from Hong Kong etc.

But my understanding was that the What Goes On version of Ride - the one we're talking about here - was sourced from the same set of acetates as the Live 1969 recordings. The actual recording may have been the same session as the Another View version, but it has reached us via an acetate. (And possibly a couple of cassette generations, judging by the sound quality).

When I say "acetate", I'm talking about the acetate with Ride and Countess from Hong Kong etc. As you say, that is the one bobbydriver used the vocals from. I'm not sure, off the top of my head, where the What Goes On version is ultimately sourced from. The notes in the What Goes On booklet do say "from acetate", but they also incorrectly imply it's the version from the same acetate as Countess From Hong Kong by saying it's from the Polydor (France) 5 CD box set, which it isn't, so those notes aren't reliable.

[Elvis Plebsley]

When I say "acetate", I'm talking about the acetate with Ride and Countess from Hong Kong etc. As you say, that is the one bobbydriver used the vocals from. I'm not sure, off the top of my head, where the What Goes On version is ultimately sourced from. The notes in the What Goes On booklet do say "from acetate", but they also incorrectly imply it's the version from the same acetate as Countess From Hong Kong by saying it's from the Polydor (France) 5 CD box set, which it isn't, so those notes aren't reliable.

We are speaking about different acetates. The "Honeymoon acetate", said to be from Moe's collection with Countess et al is a completely different session to the one that appeared on Another View. It's amazing that Bobbydriver's mix of the two works as well as it does. The vocal used on the other two mixes comes from another acetate found on the What Goes On boxset. It is claimed that it is the same take of the Instrumental from Another View, but with the vocal intact. It does sound the same with the distinctive drum pattern.