falconwhit wrote: ↑09 Sep 2024 04:49
Always wished Lou had sung New Age on Loaded, and that there was a studio vocal version of GIFIL, so these are very welcome.
There is a studio version of GIFIL with vocals. But it was rejected for the VU comp due to tape damage. Sterling knew there was also an instrumental version so they looked for and found that one to use. I wonder how bad the tape damage is.
I wished they'd find some way to fix the damaged copy and release that. I'd hope that they could fix it using today's technology and a little bit of creative editing. Or just let the public do it for them.
iaredatsun wrote: ↑10 Sep 2024 13:26
There is a studio version of GIFIL with vocals. But it was rejected for the VU comp due to tape damage. Sterling knew there was also an instrumental version so they looked for and found that one to use. I wonder how bad the tape damage is.
I wished they'd find some way to fix the damaged copy and release that. I'd hope that they could fix it using today's technology and a little bit of creative editing. Or just let the public do it for them.
Forgot about that. No idea how bad the tape is but assuming that they should be able to fly the vocals from that take and add it to the instrumental version - maybe the issue was more about not wanting to create Frankenstein versions rather than any technical limitations.
Interested to see if Universal and the VU / estate will start considering putting out instrumental mixes and other "new" versions now that these are now appearing in the wild outside of their control. Maybe for a 60th anniversary super extra deluxe 12-cd boxset. (I'd buy it)
I think a better use of their resources would be to clean up the sound on various live shows that were recorded and release those instead. And try and get a hold of more live shows from the Cale era because a few more were recorded just not circulating. I would especially love to hear more live recordings of them in 68 with Cale, which, in my opinion was their best era musically. How many more times do they need to re-release the studio albums?
iaredatsun wrote: ↑10 Sep 2024 13:26
There is a studio version of GIFIL with vocals. But it was rejected for the VU comp due to tape damage. Sterling knew there was also an instrumental version so they looked for and found that one to use. I wonder how bad the tape damage is.
I wished they'd find some way to fix the damaged copy and release that. I'd hope that they could fix it using today's technology and a little bit of creative editing. Or just let the public do it for them.
Forgot about that. No idea how bad the tape is but assuming that they should be able to fly the vocals from that take and add it to the instrumental version - maybe the issue was more about not wanting to create Frankenstein versions rather than any technical limitations.
Interested to see if Universal and the VU / estate will start considering putting out instrumental mixes and other "new" versions now that these are now appearing in the wild outside of their control. Maybe for a 60th anniversary super extra deluxe 12-cd boxset. (I'd buy it)
Depends whether the vocal version was a mix-down or multi-track. Could also have been a different take.
peppergomez wrote: ↑12 Sep 2024 02:52
I think a better use of their resources would be to clean up the sound on various live shows that were recorded and release those instead. And try and get a hold of more live shows from the Cale era because a few more were recorded just not circulating. I would especially love to hear more live recordings of them in 68 with Cale, which, in my opinion was their best era musically. How many more times do they need to re-release the studio albums?
I really wonder whether Came himself is the hold up with regards this question. He seems to have zero interest in the idea from what few comments from him that i have read over the years.
Always assumed it was a different take, but could be wrong. Seems they have the multi-tracks for the instrumental version (since it was mixed in the 80s and then again in this century), so if it was the same take the tape damage would have to be only on the vocal track, right? Possible but unlikely, imo, but my knowledge on tape damage is not impressive..
Doubt it will ever be released but we're talking about the same company that kept the Gymnasium tape in their vaults for decades before bothering to release it.
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iaredatsun wrote: ↑12 Sep 2024 08:06
Depends whether the vocal version was a mix-down or multi-track. Could also have been a different take.
My assumption was that they were 2 different takes, and that the tape that was damaged was the multitrack. I believe that Mayfair Studios was an 8 track facility at the time.
But this is based on nothing but guesses.
MartinVU wrote: ↑12 Sep 2024 15:30
Always assumed it was a different take, but could be wrong. Seems they have the multi-tracks for the instrumental version (since it was mixed in the 80s and then again in this century), so if it was the same take the tape damage would have to be only on the vocal track, right? Possible but unlikely, imo, but my knowledge on tape damage is not impressive..
Doubt it will ever be released but we're talking about the same company that kept the Gymnasium tape in their vaults for decades before bothering to release it.
How do we know that they had the Gymnasium Tape for decades? I got the impression that it was in the hands of Cale. Also I think the question of whether a record company releases anything in their vaults has a lot to do with bands themselves.