1967 Gymnasium tapes

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Jez wrote:I'm reading Lou's biography by Victor Bockris at the moment and was suprised to hear that he had to go and buy an unplayed copy of The Bells and use it for the Between Thought and Expression anthology, because the master had rotted away on record company shelves, because of poor storage. What chance does some privately recorded tape from the sixties stand?
True, any VU stuff we haven't heard by now could easily have been lost or destroyed or rotted away, and with every passing year that possibility becomes more acute. Then again, there are plenty of counter-examples of ancient tapes that have withstood the test of time. Obviously there' s the Quine tapes, and the Warhol Museum CD material which was sitting on a shelf in Pittsburgh for 30 years before anyone heard it, ditto the '65 rehearsal tape that was lying forgotten in Cale's archive until he unearthed it for PS&S.

There are clearly places where more stuff than we've heard exists. The Warhol Museum has vastly more complete versions of the tapes that were sampled on the Factory CD - and possibly other stuff that we don't know about. Jamie Klimek has the masters for many of the Velvets' Cleveland appearances, which must include some material not on the ciruculating tapes. Cale has any number of live and rehearsal recordings. There's the Joseph Freeman tape from Max's. Maybe Piero Heliczer's widow even has the proto-Velvets recordings that were made of them jamming behind the screen at Heliczer's 1965 mixed media events. The list goes on.

Recently, someone posted on Dime a 1971 live tape of The Modern Lovers that nobody had ever heard before. Two (almost) full sets, great quality, real holy grail stuff for us fans, and yet it had lain unidiscovered for 36 years. For as long as that kind of thing can happen, I still have some hope for some unheard VU material.
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True, any VU stuff we haven't heard by now could easily have been lost or destroyed or rotted away, and with every passing year that possibility becomes more acute. Then again, there are plenty of counter-examples of ancient tapes that have withstood the test of time. Obviously there' s the Quine tapes, and the Warhol Museum CD material which was sitting on a shelf in Pittsburgh for 30 years before anyone heard it, ditto the '65 rehearsal tape that was lying forgotten in Cale's archive until he unearthed it for PS&S.

There are clearly places where more stuff than we've heard exists. The Warhol Museum has vastly more complete versions of the tapes that were sampled on the Factory CD - and possibly other stuff that we don't know about. Jamie Klimek has the masters for many of the Velvets' Cleveland appearances, which must include some material not on the ciruculating tapes. Cale has any number of live and rehearsal recordings. There's the Joseph Freeman tape from Max's. Maybe Piero Heliczer's widow even has the proto-Velvets recordings that were made of them jamming behind the screen at Heliczer's 1965 mixed media events. The list goes on
Speaking of unheard tapes: I met Ronald Nameth a month ago and he told me he had "hours of tapes" of the Poor Richards stand in Chicago! He shot the EPI film there every night for a week. He said there were lot's of great recordings on them and told me I could hear them some day. Can't wait, but I'll let you know asap.
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Warlock wrote:Speaking of unheard tapes: I met Ronald Nameth a month ago and he told me he had "hours of tapes" of the Poor Richards stand in Chicago! He shot the EPI film there every night for a week. He said there were lot's of great recordings on them and told me I could hear them some day. Can't wait, but I'll let you know asap.

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Warlock wrote:
True, any VU stuff we haven't heard by now could easily have been lost or destroyed or rotted away, and with every passing year that possibility becomes more acute. Then again, there are plenty of counter-examples of ancient tapes that have withstood the test of time. Obviously there' s the Quine tapes, and the Warhol Museum CD material which was sitting on a shelf in Pittsburgh for 30 years before anyone heard it, ditto the '65 rehearsal tape that was lying forgotten in Cale's archive until he unearthed it for PS&S.

There are clearly places where more stuff than we've heard exists. The Warhol Museum has vastly more complete versions of the tapes that were sampled on the Factory CD - and possibly other stuff that we don't know about. Jamie Klimek has the masters for many of the Velvets' Cleveland appearances, which must include some material not on the ciruculating tapes. Cale has any number of live and rehearsal recordings. There's the Joseph Freeman tape from Max's. Maybe Piero Heliczer's widow even has the proto-Velvets recordings that were made of them jamming behind the screen at Heliczer's 1965 mixed media events. The list goes on
Speaking of unheard tapes: I met Ronald Nameth a month ago and he told me he had "hours of tapes" of the Poor Richards stand in Chicago! He shot the EPI film there every night for a week. He said there were lot's of great recordings on them and told me I could hear them some day. Can't wait, but I'll let you know asap.
Great news!
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There is a tape of the Velvets playing at the RI School of Design in 1967. I have heard it, though that was approximately 30 years ago. The owner of the tape, an acquaintance of mine, has also been missing for approximately 30 years. I have been trying to find him in vain. He used to tape concerts that were held in the Providence area and would not let me copy it. It was on a 7" tape reel. He got into some trouble with some druggies and vanished one day. No one ever found out where he and his wife went. I remember the tape well, it was from the WL/WH period and was very clear with a great Sister Ray.
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Holy shit! This man must be found...

The show must have been this one:

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March 31-April 1, 1967
Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island

Exploding Plastic Inevitable

Posters: "2 shows nightly 7pm 9pm". Reproduced in Andy Warhol - 365 Takes (take #43). Alternate green version also exists, reproduced in c/o The Velvet Underground catalogue (p. 3).

Photos: Bill Carner & Ron Spencer in Uptight, p. 68-71
Info from http://members.aol.com/olandem2/perf67.html
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:bowdown: :bowdown: Ronald Nameth :bowdown: :bowdown:
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[quote="Mark"]Holy shit! This man must be found...

the 1967 RI School of Design recording would be a great find...

and how about the Quine outtakes?

and any news from Wolfgang's Vault about Fillmore Auditorium 1966 recordings? they REALLY have VU tapes?
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Hmm, if Nameth has all the original audio from Poor Richards, I wonder if he has any more film footage? He certainly shot many hours of stuff that was edited down to the 22-minute EPI film. Would be amazing if any of that survived.
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