After hours video tapes

[Mark]

I was browsing the old list of Afterhours video tapes listed on Olivier's site and noticed the following sequence:

"ANDY WARHOL" - SOUTHBANK SHOW
"JONATHAN RICHMAN" - ARSENAL SHOW
NICO : "THE SWEET SKIN"
"NICO" - ARSENAL SHOW
VELVET UNDERGROUND 1966
Finely transferred clips from the band, live & wild in their early prime : the musical segment from A Symphony Of Sound, Nico's great "Frozen Warnings" clip that has lots of Factory footage, the VU at the Psychiatrists Convention, the EPI film, and a TV story about Warhol that shows clips from that rarest of videos : the CBS "Making of an Underground Film". Note : all this comes from the best available sources, taken directly from film or video masters, and not filmed off a tv screen, as all other available versions of the Symphony are. 2 hours.

Does anyone have the tape that contains the "TV story about Warhol that shows clips from that rarest of videos : the CBS "Making of an Underground Film"? I'm curious as to whether it might have the original VU audio - more recent copies that have surfaced obviously don't, but maybe this earlier one is different?

[simonm]

I think this is the full piece as broadcast in Dec 1965 - came on a DVD with a facsimile book by Heliczer by Boo Hooray some years ago. As a quickie news report they probably wouldn't use sync sound on footage where a spoken voiceover was expected to go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZevzVuFkU

[Mark]

Yes. I'm aware of the Boo Hooray release. It does have periods of silence that sound like the audio should be there, which makes me wonder if there was a different copy that had it included...

[walkonvu]

Yes. I'm aware of the Boo Hooray release. It does have periods of silence that sound like the audio should be there, which makes me wonder if there was a different copy that had it included...

see my post at:
viewtopic.php?t=144704&start=20

[Mark]

See my reply!

Have you seen the full CBS programme? If not, I suspect there's some confusion here. The WNET programme a couple of months later had instrumental Heroin over the end credits.

Heliczer famously used audio of the VU from the CBS report at screenings of Venus in Furs, so it must have existed at the time, even if it doesn't now.

[walkonvu]

Sterling talks about CBS broadcast including ending titles with instrumental version of Heroin in Little Caesar 9 book.
1965 TV broadcasts were in mono, right? So just 1 sound channel. I can hardly imagine that they would be able technically separate music from narrative.

[walkonvu]

Also Filmmakers Coop had Venus in Furs in distribution. Their catalogue says: Sound engineer: CBS-TV News

[Mark]

Sterling talks about CBS broadcast including ending titles with instrumental version of Heroin in Little Caesar 9 book.
1965 TV broadcasts were in mono, right? So just 1 sound channel. I can hardly imagine that they would be able technically separate music from narrative.

Obviously the broadcast will have been mono. I'm not sure what the technology will have been in the production process though. Maybe some sort of 2 track system so they could mix the voiceover in with the audio from the location film with the voiceover? That would explain the long silence on the Boo Hooray DVD - maybe we've somehow ended up with one track from what was a two track recording?

I've seen that quote from Sterling and think he may have been mixing up CBS and WNET. WNET certainly has Heroin over the end credits sans vocals.