1. Nothing extra listed for the 3rd sessions. But there are not two versions of Some Kind of Love listed either
(And note that, the MGM list has two versions of Here She Comes Now and we didn't get the extra one on WLWH set.)
2. I wonder whether any of these listed missing recordings will turn up?
Sandy Sex (odd title as it rhymes with Candy Says), Steve´s Tune, War-ho (Sounds like 'Warhol' - another title for Andy's chest?) Sad Song.
(Love to hear the early version of Sad Song especially if it is like the early Lou Reed solo demo version)
3. Lastly what is the reference that Sterling made in an interview to a whole album recorded in LA and that the tapes got lost on their way back to NY????? I can't find the link. But all the known '4th' stuff was recorded in NY. So what is that LA story about?
If they held back a "Here She Comes Now" alternate take or mix, no matter how similar to the album version, that's very disappointing. Given how sparse the WL/WH box content was and that they actually even included identical mixes twice at times. IF, of course, maybe there isn't another version in the archives.
Here's what Oliver's site says about the Sterl quote:
According to Ignacio Julia's Velvet Warriors, Sterling said that "the stuff available on VU and Another View is not the material from the lost album sessions. They had recorded some songs on the West Coast and mailed the tapes to New York, but they never arrived and so the ghost album remains lost, probably forever". This 4 songs acetate could be the only thing surviving from those sessions?
rnranimal wrote:
If they held back a "Here She Comes Now" alternate take or mix, no matter how similar to the album version, that's very disappointing. Given how sparse the WL/WH box content was and that they actually even included identical mixes twice at times. IF, of course, maybe there isn't another version in the archives.
Here's what Oliver's site says about the Sterl quote:
According to Ignacio Julia's Velvet Warriors, Sterling said that "the stuff available on VU and Another View is not the material from the lost album sessions. They had recorded some songs on the West Coast and mailed the tapes to New York, but they never arrived and so the ghost album remains lost, probably forever". This 4 songs acetate could be the only thing surviving from those sessions?
Here She Comes Now. We can only assume that it's lost or that it was a false start or very sub-standard version.
With regards the 4 songs acetate. You'd think if there was a lost album from the West Coast they'd have acetates of all the songs and if there were only four it's not really an album. I also can't help thinking that the songs on that acetate don't amount to much in terms of songs or performance except for Ride, perhaps.
btw. The sequenced version of the 'Lost 4th' on this site seems feels satisfying and better than the Sundazed '1969' version:
I am with Sterl. As per their MGM contrat they had to record 24 sides from May 2, 1968 to May 2, 1969 and another 24 sides in the next period ending May 2, 1970, guess they were just trying to fullfil their contract obligations, that seems never did in full by the way.
What surprises me is, instead of using all these sides recorded, MGM published in Nov 1970 a Greatest Hits album of the band
alfredovu wrote:I am with Sterl. As per their MGM contrat they had to record 24 sides from May 2, 1968 to May 2, 1969 and another 24 sides in the next period ending May 2, 1970, guess they were just trying to fullfil their contract obligations, that seems never did in full by the way.
What surprises me is, instead of using all these sides recorded, MGM published in Nov 1970 a Greatest Hits album of the band
I didn't know about the contract. Sounds like a contract for a singles band? Hard to see how recording 24 sides over a year could produce anything coherent enough to make albums. Is it unusual? But probably explains how disjointed all that material feels.
flippikat wrote:As an aside, that site has some pretty good recreations of "lost" albums, well worth checking out some of the others too.
Yes ? for example Pink Floyd albums as if Syd hadn't left. It's probably sacrilegious, but I've challenged him to re-create the 3rd with Cale on board.
flippikat wrote:As an aside, that site has some pretty good recreations of "lost" albums, well worth checking out some of the others too.
Yes ? for example Pink Floyd albums as if Syd hadn't left. It's probably sacrilegious, but I've challenged him to re-create the 3rd with Cale on board.
That's actually a great idea, be interesting to see what he comes up with! I do like his concept for 'IV', it flows very nicely and he uses some interesting versions I hadn't been able to get hold of before. Not sure about rejecting 'Ferryboat Bill' tho, I don't see why it's any more of a filler than other tracks and could easily have fitted on within LP limits, e.g. it would have resulted in a 12 track, 42 min album - shorter than VU&N. All a matter of opinion tho.
His version of The Doors 'Celebration of the Lizard' is excellent, too. Thanks for the heads-up.
Kill Mick wrote:That's actually a great idea, be interesting to see what he comes up with! I do like his concept for 'IV', it flows very nicely and he uses some interesting versions I hadn't been able to get hold of before. Not sure about rejecting 'Ferryboat Bill' tho, I don't see why it's any more of a filler than other tracks and could easily have fitted on within LP limits, e.g. it would have resulted in a 12 track, 42 min album - shorter than VU&N. All a matter of opinion tho.
His version of The Doors 'Celebration of the Lizard' is excellent, too. Thanks for the heads-up.
Yes, I like the sound - he uses some versions from the WGO boxset and the version of Best Friend from the promo cassette. Aside from no Move Right In, I also think his omission of Rock n Roll really helps the album (never liked that version). I agree about Ferryboat Bill because I love that song, and so I used his FLACS, removed Sticking With You and then replaced it with a Ferryboat Bill needle-dropped from my 80s LP boxset. I burnt a CD and I've been playing it all w/e and still really enjoying it as I write this.
As far as a re-imagined 3rd goes, what should go on it? I have some ideas but would like to hear other people's.
flippikat wrote:As an aside, that site has some pretty good recreations of "lost" albums, well worth checking out some of the others too.
Yes ? for example Pink Floyd albums as if Syd hadn't left. It's probably sacrilegious, but I've challenged him to re-create the 3rd with Cale on board.
I made my own Pink Floyd albums with Syd staying in the band - only in my timeline, Kevin Ayers (ex-Soft Machine) joins instead of David Gilmour.
Great whimsical fun, but probably for another thread on another board...
A 3rd album with Cale on board would be interesting.. Between the early 1967 demos, Gymnasium tape songs, and early 1968 sessions you have a good base.. probably would only need a few tracks from our timeline's 3rd album to fill out the running time.
