MartinVU wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024 22:59
The Matrix tapes and the show from Second Fret on the Loaded deluxe box set came out after Lou passed. Supposedly the WGO in PSAS is taken from the boot which would mean UMG doesn't have the tape (but who knows? Not me).
I hardly noticed the Second Fret thing - those are the dullest VU shows ever imo. I had assumed the Matrix rejease was agreed by Lou before his death but i don't remember, but WGO on PSAS is much better quality than the Live 68 boot, no?
I agree, don't care for that recording at all. But doesn't it seem to indicate that it's not the band that stops more stuff from coming out? If they didn't want too much to come out surely they would have stopped that one..and for good reason imo.
In the conversation with Sal someone posted he did say it took about 15 years (!) to get the Matrix tapes released,.
falconwhit wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024 20:39
Live 68 is great, one of the best boots for sure - but unfortunately 1 semitone too fast.
Really wish someone would put out a speed-corrected version of it.
Never noticed that. It sounds awesome though. Klimek and BTP tapes are my fave Velevet live recordings. Is it the same on PSAS? I haven't sat down and compared WGO from there and Live 68 but I remember them as the same. Also, I read some forum discussion (possibly here) where someone had done that and also claimed UMG had not tried or been able too contact Klimek to get the original tape.
falconwhit wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024 20:39
Live 68 is great, one of the best boots for sure - but unfortunately 1 semitone too fast.
Really wish someone would put out a speed-corrected version of it.
Never noticed that. It sounds awesome though. Klimek and BTP tapes are my fave Velevet live recordings. Is it the same on PSAS? I haven't sat down and compared WGO from there and Live 68 but I remember them as the same. Also, I read some forum discussion (possibly here) where someone had done that and also claimed UMG had not tried or been able too contact Klimek to get the original tape.
Correction! I take it back.
I just listened to Live 68 again and either
1) I'm going crazy, or
2) my old turnable is playing tricks on me
Live 68 may be a *tad sharp, but much less than a semitone. Foggy Notion is the one track that seems the most off.
I may have gotten confused with Problems in Urban Living by Keyhole. There, at least some of the tracks like WGO are definitely too fast. Haven't checked the rest yet.
Apologies for any confusion.
To recap, Live 68 is still great like it always was.
Yes, there's the partial 1968 La Cave show with Sweet Sister Ray and Heroin. It's well documented that the rest of that show was lost unfortunately.
I guess it's possible that Klimek taped the other shows on that 3-night stand. The first time he saw the VU was June/July 1967 when his friend taped them, apparently the qualifications was poor though.
Mark wrote: ↑24 Nov 2024 18:27
Yes, there's the partial 1968 La Cave show with Sweet Sister Ray and Heroin. It's well documented that the rest of that show was lost unfortunately.
I guess it's possible that Klimek taped the other shows on that 3-night stand. The first time he saw the VU was June/July 1967 when his friend taped them, apparently the qualifications was poor though.
I forgot he taped that. So yes he may well have other Cale era gigs. We can probably only dream of hearing them.
I think he only ever taped them in Cleveland, and after June/July 1967. Which for Cale, would just be the April '68 shows as far as I know.
After that, there's October '68 (La Cave), Dec '68 (Music Hall), Jan-Feb '69 (La Cave) and March '69 (La Cave). We do have representation on tape of all these shows, but in general they're either not complete, or scattered across multiple sources. Klimek's masters would likely represent a big upgrade on what we have, especially as most of these engagements were across several nights and he's very likely to have taped more than what circulates. My holy grail personally would be a more complete October '68 - I've attempted to stitch together the various sources that circulate from vinyl and tapes but it's a pretty uneven listen quality-wise.
I guess it's a bit distasteful to be speculating about tapes so soon after the poor guy's passing. All I can say is that we've been speculating about this stuff for as long as I can remember, and the VU were obviously as special to Klimek as they were to anyone. So I'm just hoping that his tapes won't be lost with him, I don't think he'd want that any more than the rest of us would.
Mark wrote: ↑27 Nov 2024 11:52
I think he only ever taped them in Cleveland, and after June/July 1967. Which for Cale, would just be the April '68 shows as far as I know.
After that, there's October '68 (La Cave), Dec '68 (Music Hall), Jan-Feb '69 (La Cave) and March '69 (La Cave). We do have representation on tape of all these shows, but in general they're either not complete, or scattered across multiple sources. Klimek's masters would likely represent a big upgrade on what we have, especially as most of these engagements were across several nights and he's very likely to have taped more than what circulates. My holy grail personally would be a more complete October '68 - I've attempted to stitch together the various sources that circulate from vinyl and tapes but it's a pretty uneven listen quality-wise.
Olivier's site says
'Klimek taped every single Cleveland Velvets show from the Plastic Exploding Inevitable on out but most of those tapes unfortunately haven't surfaced'
“Jim had a cassette recorder at the time. He recorded the show and all you can hear on the tape is RHARRRHHHHH!!! — this huge roaring sound of modulations as they are going through the chords. I don’t even think you could make out what they were playing.”
Their next Cleveland show after that was April 68, the Sweet Sister Ray tape. So that weekend would be the first time Klimek taped them.
“Jim had a cassette recorder at the time. He recorded the show and all you can hear on the tape is RHARRRHHHHH!!! — this huge roaring sound of modulations as they are going through the chords. I don’t even think you could make out what they were playing.”
Their next Cleveland show after that was April 68, the Sweet Sister Ray tape. So that weekend would be the first time Klimek taped them.