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Thansk man! still mising mine ...

Good to have this 60 secs in full... no music but we can hear Walter Cronkite. He is referring Piero Helizcer shooting his film "Dirt"(8mm Color -I think it is B&W actually) and the VU helping him.
I have this ad from March 1966 for the Film "Venus in Furs Meets the Velvet Underground" shown at The Bridge Cinema that March. Both movies are about nuns but I guess this is about the shooting of "Venus" (unless it is a part of Dirt)

on request.... a better link... for one week... http://we.tl/M6JFgRo0PR, btw is the ad in your book alfredovu?

Thank you very much, logic!

Fantastic - thank you!

alfredovu wrote:
Good to have this 60 secs in full... no music but we can hear Walter Cronkite. He is referring Piero Helizcer shooting his film "Dirt"(8mm Color -I think it is B&W actually) and the VU helping him.
I have this ad from March 1966 for the Film "Venus in Furs Meets the Velvet Underground" shown at The Bridge Cinema that March. Both movies are about nuns but I guess this is about the shooting of "Venus" (unless it is a part of Dirt)

http://www.velvetforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... ilm#p19172

And notice Moe as a witch or evil in the film.




Thanks for the vid,man.

logic wrote:on request.... a better link... for one week... http://we.tl/M6JFgRo0PR, btw is the ad in your book alfredovu?

No, it was found after the book was released.

Just had chance to sit down and digest this properly. A few thoughts:

1. It's really great to finally see the whole thing in context - didn't know about the Mekas and Warhol bits.

2. The VU part is about 54 seconds long - almost twice as long as what we had previously.

3. There's something strange going on with the sound. When the voiceover introduces the Velvets, there is a LONG pause before he starts talking again. It sounds like there's meant to be some music at that point. Wonder what happened? I don't know much about 1965 TV technology but could the original soundtrack be on 2-track tape, of which we only have one track here?

4. As others have said, the voiceover says that the film being made is Dirt, not Venus in Furs as generally thought. But it doesn't remotely match the part of Dirt that's available online (Ubuweb I think). Possibly a mistake in the voiceover?

Regarding about "Venus in furs........" movie,my guess is part of the same "Dirt"film,which means the whole film was made out of "small movies".Piero's planned as three hour epic film,but is incomplete/lost or destroyed.So only left these two sequences (Bath and Venus.....),check out the timing are small movies indeed.

And for add more confusion,just came across a facebook page with two shots of BR.costumes as nun,from Venus movie at Ludow and claims that belong to Dirt film,so the end of truth is a totally underground messy up.

ps:BTW,anyone got the duty of timing Venus on this original source...??

http://www.ubu.com/film/heliczer_dirt.html
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 8&ENGINE=3

It is not whole thing in context - it miss ending titles with instrumental version of Heroin. I suppose Piero later use as soundtrack to his movie Venus in Furs.

walkonvu wrote:ending titles with instrumental version of Heroin.

Wasn't that the WNET programme?