Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 28 Oct 2025 21:22
Many thanks for your work with these - and thanks you for sharing!
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Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 28 Oct 2025 21:39
Thanks Lurid
Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 29 Oct 2025 16:17
Just check this new version with my guitar and I can say that now the pitch and speed are correct!
Thanks a lot for your job! I'll be waiting for the other tapes you said you got in the next weeks!
Thanks a lot for your job! I'll be waiting for the other tapes you said you got in the next weeks!
Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 29 Oct 2025 19:40
Thank-you Lurid!
I dont know why I just enjoyed this even more than the boot LP or the official release of the gig, at the time of their release. And this is absolutely my favourite VU live recording.
I read the comments and had some thoughts:
That style of TDK C90 cassette comes from 1990-95. That does not prove that Bill Allerton was given it back then, but it somehow does suggest that it made then. Also I believe that the fragment of Sister Ray on the Twisted Stars 4CD set is form this gig. That CD was released in 1998. This does all point to the recording being out there in the 90s.
People wonder why the UMG release showed damage tape. But we do not actually know where the source tape came from. (We assume Cale, but that is an assumption, as he could have been given a copy, himself.) Could it be that both versions we know about were dubbed from the source at different times - whether from Cale's copy, or not. Therefore the damage and potentially the edits, came later?
With regards the hum. UMG would have had access to the best modern dedicated hum removal methods for their release.
The tape has a printed (xeroxed) cover. Does that suggest there were more than one copy made?
I cant help feeling that if this tape was out there since the 90s, then the other Gymnasium tape - with Walk it and Talk It - is also out there, too.
Lastly – Lurid - what is the Sterling Morrison and John Cale conversation that the cover mentions?
I dont know why I just enjoyed this even more than the boot LP or the official release of the gig, at the time of their release. And this is absolutely my favourite VU live recording.
I read the comments and had some thoughts:
That style of TDK C90 cassette comes from 1990-95. That does not prove that Bill Allerton was given it back then, but it somehow does suggest that it made then. Also I believe that the fragment of Sister Ray on the Twisted Stars 4CD set is form this gig. That CD was released in 1998. This does all point to the recording being out there in the 90s.
People wonder why the UMG release showed damage tape. But we do not actually know where the source tape came from. (We assume Cale, but that is an assumption, as he could have been given a copy, himself.) Could it be that both versions we know about were dubbed from the source at different times - whether from Cale's copy, or not. Therefore the damage and potentially the edits, came later?
With regards the hum. UMG would have had access to the best modern dedicated hum removal methods for their release.
The tape has a printed (xeroxed) cover. Does that suggest there were more than one copy made?
I cant help feeling that if this tape was out there since the 90s, then the other Gymnasium tape - with Walk it and Talk It - is also out there, too.
Lastly – Lurid - what is the Sterling Morrison and John Cale conversation that the cover mentions?
Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 31 Oct 2025 09:48
I agree re the type of cassette - definitely from that 1990s period. Some of Bill's cassettes were obviously from the early 70s (the Maxell "Low Noise" ones), and they all had (really nice quality) 1972 Lou live recordings on them.
His (mis-dated) "VU Philadelphia 4th/5th Jan 1970" cassettes were on older style TDK D90s which I would also guess were from the late 1980s/1990s or so. There was no new material on them and sound quality wasn't dramatically better than what I had.
Oddly, the Velvets 1970-11-30 cassette was on a much more modern TDK D90 - I can't explain that. The VU Lampeter cassette was on a 1980s type BASF tape which tied in with the letter which accompanied it.
Yes, the Gymnasium cassette has a "printed" inlay card which does suggest that multiple copies were made (all with the "no copies" warning!). I wonder if it was "discovered" and copied around the time that Cale supplied the early VU material for the "Peel Slowly" box set in 1995 or so?
And finally, I posted the "Cale/Morrison" conversation here in another thread - it's not Sterling and my best guess now is that John is taking to Steve Sesnick.
I'm glad that my winning/sharing these cassettes has resulted in these sort of discussions and all the "new" La Cave info that has been posted here!
His (mis-dated) "VU Philadelphia 4th/5th Jan 1970" cassettes were on older style TDK D90s which I would also guess were from the late 1980s/1990s or so. There was no new material on them and sound quality wasn't dramatically better than what I had.
Oddly, the Velvets 1970-11-30 cassette was on a much more modern TDK D90 - I can't explain that. The VU Lampeter cassette was on a 1980s type BASF tape which tied in with the letter which accompanied it.
Yes, the Gymnasium cassette has a "printed" inlay card which does suggest that multiple copies were made (all with the "no copies" warning!). I wonder if it was "discovered" and copied around the time that Cale supplied the early VU material for the "Peel Slowly" box set in 1995 or so?
And finally, I posted the "Cale/Morrison" conversation here in another thread - it's not Sterling and my best guess now is that John is taking to Steve Sesnick.
I'm glad that my winning/sharing these cassettes has resulted in these sort of discussions and all the "new" La Cave info that has been posted here!
iaredatsun wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 19:40 Thank-you Lurid!
I dont know why I just enjoyed this even more than the boot LP or the official release of the gig, at the time of their release. And this is absolutely my favourite VU live recording.
I read the comments and had some thoughts:
That style of TDK C90 cassette comes from 1990-95. That does not prove that Bill Allerton was given it back then, but it somehow does suggest that it made then. Also I believe that the fragment of Sister Ray on the Twisted Stars 4CD set is form this gig. That CD was released in 1998. This does all point to the recording being out there in the 90s.
People wonder why the UMG release showed damage tape. But we do not actually know where the source tape came from. (We assume Cale, but that is an assumption, as he could have been given a copy, himself.) Could it be that both versions we know about were dubbed from the source at different times - whether from Cale's copy, or not. Therefore the damage and potentially the edits, came later?
With regards the hum. UMG would have had access to the best modern dedicated hum removal methods for their release.
The tape has a printed (xeroxed) cover. Does that suggest there were more than one copy made?
I cant help feeling that if this tape was out there since the 90s, then the other Gymnasium tape - with Walk it and Talk It - is also out there, too.
Lastly – Lurid - what is the Sterling Morrison and John Cale conversation that the cover mentions?
Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 31 Oct 2025 10:19
WoW!!!!!!
Speechless ... THANKS A LOT!!!!! Need to listen to it
Speechless ... THANKS A LOT!!!!! Need to listen to it
Re: New York 1967-04-30 soundboard - Bill Allerton's copy
Posted: 03 Nov 2025 19:48