The Velvet Forum

What's the problem about Cale being fired?It happened and so what?
We all know the V.U. with Cale & Yule, and I do love those 2 areas for many reasons and I can't stand those f...g myths.
But I guess it went the same with Brian Jones & Mick Taylor and then Ron Wood!

LCB wrote:Glen Matlock or Sid Vicious?

Well since Sid almost never played, by default it is Glen! Glen is a great bassist...check out his Philistines stuff.

Well, I still can't see anyone appreciating EVERY album of the VUs for what it is really worth.
I don't think that anyone who enjoys listening to "Loaded" can understand someone glorifying "White Light/White Heat".

Maybe it's because the change of style went so suddenly (at least it appears to me as if it appreared suddenly)

I guess it has to do with ones taste of music that evolves with the time. In a few years I will maybe see John Cale as someone who oppressed Lou's genius.

I do listen to "Loaded" and do glorify "white light/white heat" eh eh
see you

stooge wrote:I do listen to "Loaded" and do glorify "white light/white heat" eh eh
see you

yeah , but your on drugs

andrej,

your perception of The Velvet Undergrounds Post-Cale era is quite common actually. The Velvet's debut was a landmark rock album which indeed incorporated Lou's pop-sensibilities with John Cale's knack of experimentation, complemented with an injected social-realism which celebrated nihilism but displayed a redemptive element of the human psyche.

Their Sophomore album White Light/White Heat was an all-out avant-garde assault which sonically was much more agressive than the Velvets debut. It pioneered several special effects such as distortion and feedback and became an influence on much of the punk music which followed.

I can acknowledge why many Velvet fans such as yourself perceive Cales short tenure with the group to be the finest. I myself admit it was The Velvets most innovative hour, but it doesn't completely dust out the albums which followed.

Like what somebody had said above, The self-titled LP displayed The Velvets stylistic range...which featured more mellow muffled songs and gospel-laden tracks. The Velvet Undergrounds last album with Reed is actually my favorite...and featured The Velvets at their most accessible. Theres no nonsense here actually, it was straight-forward rock n roll!

Their last official album Squeeze is a love it or hate it affair. At the end, its all preference. Whether you prefer The Velvets early work, or The Velvets Later work, or both is just quite fine!!

Changeling wrote:

stooge wrote:I do listen to "Loaded" and do glorify "white light/white heat" eh eh
see you

yeah , but your on drugs

I'm sorry I forgot to mention that.