Words and Music May 1965 - Lou Reed

[iaredatsun]

Finally an announcement on the 1965 demo tape.

Not my image - borrowed from another forum.

And some Lou Reed/Velvet Underground article in this month's Mojo?

[iaredatsun]

This seems to be the track list of the up and coming light in the attic release. ( I’ve not yet read the mojo magazine to confirm)

i'm waiting for the man
men of good fortune
heroin
too late
buttercup song
walk alone
buzz buzz buzz
pale blue eyes
stockpile
wrap your troubles in dreams
i'm waiting for the man (2)

[bobbydriver]

I assume the tracklisting of the tape on Olivier's site came from the NYPL? In which case "Put Your Money Down" is the only song not included in your tracklist. Weird - given there seem to be 3 versions on the tape?
http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/an ... tudio.html

Track 1:

Men Of Good Fortune
Heroin
Put your Money Down
Buttercup or Never Get Emotionally Involved With A Man, Woman, Beast, or Child
Walk Alone
I'm Waiting For The Man
Too Late
Pale Blue Eyes
Stockpile
Buzz Buzz Buzz
Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams (sung by John Cale)
Track 2:

I'm Waiting For The Man
Put Your Money Down On The Table
Put Your Money Down On The Table
Too Late
Pale Blue Eyes
[Electric Guitar Noise]
[Instrumental Jam]
[original audio that was taped over. Someone named Roz making a mix tape for "Jack"]
Stockpile
Buzz Buzz Buzz
Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams (sung by John Cale)

[hkmartin]

I assume the tracklisting of the tape on Olivier's site came from the NYPL? In which case "Put Your Money Down" is the only song not included in your tracklist. Weird - given there seem to be 3 versions on the tape?

I've heard Put Your Money Down, and I can't think of any reason not to include it.

fwiw, I think Olivier made a mistake and repeated the last three songs from track 1 to track 2.
Here is the listing from the NYPL: https://archives.nypl.org/mus/24078#c1552811

Also, the presumed listing from the LITA release has Waiting three times, when it only appears on the tape twice.

And, if anyone missed it, about a minute of Waiting from the tape leaked a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcXDQS_0sI

[iaredatsun]

I assume the tracklisting of the tape on Olivier's site came from the NYPL? In which case "Put Your Money Down" is the only song not included in your tracklist. Weird - given there seem to be 3 versions on the tape?
http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/an ... tudio.html

Track 1:

Men Of Good Fortune
Heroin
Put your Money Down
Buttercup or Never Get Emotionally Involved With A Man, Woman, Beast, or Child
Walk Alone
I'm Waiting For The Man
Too Late
Pale Blue Eyes
Stockpile
Buzz Buzz Buzz
Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams (sung by John Cale)
Track 2:

I'm Waiting For The Man
Put Your Money Down On The Table
Put Your Money Down On The Table
Too Late
Pale Blue Eyes
[Electric Guitar Noise]
[Instrumental Jam]
[original audio that was taped over. Someone named Roz making a mix tape for "Jack"]
Stockpile
Buzz Buzz Buzz
Wrap Your Troubles In Dreams (sung by John Cale)

It's not my tracklist, and it's not taken from olivier landemaine's site – it's the one from this month's Mojo magazine, where they discuss the well-known about copyright tape in context of the 'Words and Music May 1965' album release from Light in The Attic. Sorry if that was not clear from my opening post. Having the mojo magazine now in front of me, I see that there is actually no indication whether the list is the actual tracklist of the album. It looks more like just a selection that the journalist wanted to describe for their reader. So, the list is a bit of a red-herring and who knows what will be on the released album.

I'm not sure what you mean when you describe three versions of the tape. It looks pretty sure that the one being used for the release is the one from the Lou Reed Archive that has been disucssed here many times. Are you saying that there are two other versions of the same tape? I've not read about them.

[hkmartin]

I'm not sure what you mean when you describe three versions of the tape.

I think bobbydriver is just pointing out that the tape at the NYPL contains three different versions of "Put Your Money Down".

Also, rethinking the post I just made, I think the '(2)' after Waiting in your post probably just means the second version. I had read it as meaning there was one version at the beginning and two at the end, making a total of three, which is one two many.

[iaredatsun]

I'm not sure what you mean when you describe three versions of the tape.

I think bobbydriver is just pointing out that the tape at the NYPL contains three different versions of "Put Your Money Down".

Also, rethinking the post I just made, I think the '(2)' after Waiting in your post probably just means the second version. I had read it as meaning there was one version at the beginning and two at the end, making a total of three, which is one two many.

'Weird - given there seem to be 3 versions on the tape?'

Yes – I see that i misread bobbydriver's statement.

Waiting For The Man. Yes I think there are two versions, and as you say that's the second one.

I have a related question. Olivier's site says that the version of Never Get Emotionally Involved With A Man Woman or Child which appeared on Face Book, was from the infamous thought-lost-sent-to-England demo tape. However the same song (labelled as Buttercup) is also on the May 65 copyright tape as in the NYL archive. So what makes it probable or possible that the Face Book Never Get... snippet was from that lost demo tape and not from the copyright tape. Does that quesion make sense?

[hkmartin]

I have a related question. Olivier's site says that the version of Never Get Emotionally Involved With A Man Woman or Child which appeared on Face Book, was from the infamous thought-lost-sent-to-England demo tape. However the same song (labelled as Buttercup) is also on the May 65 copyright tape as in the NYL archive. So what makes it probable or possible that the Face Book Never Get... snippet was from that lost demo tape and not from the copyright tape. Does that quesion make sense?

I've heard the versions from the copyright tape, and, to be honest, I'm not certain if they are the source of the Facebook snippet. That said, it sounds like it's speculation on Olivier's part that it's from the lost demo tape and not from the copyright tape. I went back and found the Facebook post, and they just said it's from "the Lou Reed Archive Team". You'd think that if they had the lost demo tape, it would be part of the NYPL archives (which it's not). My guess is that Olivier is mistaken.

[Sheila Klein]

Mojo article: http://songpoemmusic.com/vuforum/Mojo_Jun22_VU.pdf

[Driven Insane]

Mojo article: http://songpoemmusic.com/vuforum/Mojo_Jun22_VU.pdf

Many thanks. This is interesting. No doubt it's going to be a landmark release, but I'm a bit surprised it's presented like the first CD in the "Peel Slowly And See" set did not exist. We already heard that folk sound there, over 25 years ago.