The vine I've been talking about

GroovyMusic · Post by **GroovyMusic** » 01 Dec 2006 21:34

tarbaby2 wrote:I have the discs now and am getting ready to pass them on, but I have a question about one of the items:

Rarities - 14 tracks on the disc included in the vine.

But I have seen it floating around on various torrent locations (certain tracks deleted) with the following information on the artwork that comes with it:

Beginning To See The Light

The Velvet Underground

57 tracks on 4 CDs
Different Mixes
Promotional Only Mono Versions
Live Performances
Alternate Versions & Demos
Tracks Never Before On CD

Has anyone ever seen or heard what makes up the other 3 discs? I doubt that it is really anything anyone is missing - but I'm just curious.

Rarities is a very general term

That 3-CD set isn't related to the "rarities" fan compilation from this forum and it's just a bunch of bootlegs, all or most of which are in the vine.

tarbaby2 · Post by **tarbaby2** » 01 Dec 2006 22:37

That's pretty much what I thought. Thanks for the clarification.

Jez · Post by **Jez** » 08 Dec 2006 14:26

I am new to your fantastic forum and would dearly love to join the European version of this vine (I live in S.E. England). However, I know a lot more about the Velvets than I do about computers, although I'm learning fast. Please let me know what the next step is.
Best wishes, Jez

GroovyMusic · Post by **GroovyMusic** » 08 Dec 2006 19:24

JUst PM me

njet · Post by **njet** » 09 Dec 2006 14:24

Definitely wanna que up for this if it can be done?

BlueTyson · Post by **BlueTyson** » 18 Dec 2006 10:10

he needs access to a DVD burner if he's going to pass a copy along to the next person in line

Ok, well I have this vine here and the discs are not the discs groovymusic seeded. They are copies someone has made along the way.

I am passing the discs I received, onto the next person (when they get in touch with me). Meantime, I have copied the contents of the discs onto the hard drive.

This is a good time to discuss trading ethics, because there are a few trading newbies here.

Etiquette #1 - you send on to the next person the discs you receive. You do not keep the discs you got, make some copies, and send the copies on.

That way everybody gets music that is as close to the source (the seeder) as possible. If everybody in a vine was passing on copies to the next in line, then errors (pops, clicks, dropouts) will grow and grow. Good traders keep the source clean.

Etiquette #2: every disc is in its own wrapper, not eg 5 discs in one little paper wallet, and they all travel in a bubble wrapper. DVDs and CDs are sensitive to abrasion, and they can snap, no matter what Phillips said when they invented the CD. "A CD is for life".

Etiquette #3: you keep a watch to find out whether the person after the person after you, got the discs. Only then do you wipe your copies of the flac files from your hard drive. This is so that you can help the people who come after you, if the worst happens. The worst that happens is that the vine gets stolen or discs broken in the mail when the person after you mails it, and meantime the person who came after you has converted everything to audio.

If this happens, the person who came after you will be arranging a re-seed (as they are obliged to do, it is a natural part of signing up for a vine) and the first person they will call on will be you, for your flacs. By keeping copies on your hard drive or on disc, you can supply the re-seed, so the music can keep being shared.

Is this real? Yes. I have seen up to 3 re-seeds from the same person to the person next in line. I've also seen the request for a re-seed travel back up the line as many as 5 people before someone was able to re-seed the flac files. (Often the person who is seeking the re-seed will provide some blank discs to get the re-seed happening).

Jez · Post by **Jez** » 18 Dec 2006 13:21

Thank you BlueTyson for the rules on trading etiquette. Being one of the newbies to vines, I found them very useful indeed and will make sure that I for one stick to them.

BlueTyson · Post by **BlueTyson** » 19 Dec 2006 10:09

Phew! Glad you're OK about that, it's hard to write instructions without coming across as heavy-handed.

This was one of the first pages I came to when learning about trading. It says how to pack discs.
http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/

Of course, unlike the example given in the link, when you are sending a vine on, you are just putting discs into the bubble-wrap package, you're not inserting an extra packet to get discs sent back to you. Otherwise the principles are the same. eg bubblewrap, not paper.

A tip for Customs declarations: always put a Customs declaration on for overseas mailings. Just say "Data CDs classed as documents" or similar, and put the value of replacing the CDs eg $1.00 not what some fool will pay for the music if they saw it on ebay. The lower the value, the better. Because bootleg music is to be shared, and never to be paid for. It is a not-for-profit hobby.

The only asset you have in the trading community is your reputation. You lose it by killing vines, not packing them properly, not communicating, and being tardy. Trading is based on trust. One good idea in a forum like this is to communicate by posting as follows:
VR = vine received
VM = vine moving on
VO = vine open for new signups

Enjoy your time sharing the music!

Jaz, as for the 5 DVD packet seeded by groovymusic- it's taken me 5 years to find this treasure trove. You're lucky you've found this place!

Jez · Post by **Jez** » 19 Dec 2006 14:29

Wow, this is great.

When I joined this forum I was a bit worried about my lack of knowledge when it comes to things like trading and vines (which I had never come across before!). I've picked up quite a bit by following threads, but your two posts have been a real help. I did feel a bit stupid for not being up on this and you don't always like to ask questions that others may think ridiculous. Thank you.

I know how lucky I am to get this opportunity. I've been waiting 30 years to hear some of this stuff. Some I have, but it may be of dubious/ unknown pedigree or incomplete. If I ever run into GroovyMusic, the drinks are on me.

And if I have any questions on trading or vines I won't be afraid to ask. I joined this forum because I love the Velvets. It had nothing to do with my computer literacy.

I am pleased to say that after a few weeks my knowledge on both has increased. There is always something new to learn.

BlueTyson · Post by **BlueTyson** » 24 Dec 2006 00:54

VM: Vine Moving

the vine of 5 blue DVD discs that was previously in Australia, this goes to Bob W in Sausilito today.

Bob will post on this thread when he receives it.