Mark wrote:I guess that must be part of why it was never recorded: it's more of a riff than a song. I love it, but it isn't very developed, either musically or lyrically.
they're groovin' man, it's to get people to dance, it's dance music!
like disco mystic!
*dextrorotory components synthesis of sympathomimetic musics (contains the equivalent of two complete stereo records)
Yes,Yes,Yes.......my ''The VU.lp live at Gimnasium,1967'' is already here,on wonderful green vinyl!!!!! ,to feeling next to nirvana...definitely ''today is the day''.
But there are no stars in New York sky, they're all on the ground. This is the place where she lay her head when she went to bed at night....
Although I ordered one almost as soon as they appeared on ebay, it never turned up at all. Correspondence from the seller was minimal to say the least and they insist that it was sent.
I gave up in the end and got a copy from Sister Ray Records on black vinyl. I'm sure there are others in the same position. It seems buying stuff from this guy is a lottery.
I ordered 2 copies on March 16th and they both arrived today.
The claims about the "bootlegger" selling more than 100 of the green copies are incorrect, alarmist and unfounded. After reading those posts I carefully went through all of musicIreland07's buyer feedback rating page and recorded each unique auctionID number related to the VU record. I found that he had feedback from 12 unique auctionIDs related to the VU record. Of the 12 auctions, 10 were for green copies and 2 were for black copies. He sold 10 copies in each auction.
The auction ids for green copies:
170192544732
170192781992
170192907421
170193025982
170193470493
170194375060
170196929741
170198153820
170199531843
170201430123
Auction ids for black copies
170197186012
170198153818
Searches I performed on google and ebay confirmed that musicIreland07 was the only person selling green copies
If you want quick visual proof do the following:
Prerequisite: you must have google toolbar.
Go to the page that displays all of musicireland07's feedback as a seller (link below)
Paste the following into the google toolbar box, then click the highligher icon:
velvet 170192544732 170192781992 170192907421 170193025982 170193470493 170194375060 170196929741 170198153820 170199531843 170201430123 170197186012 170198153818
Those are all the auction ids (green + black)
Scroll the page and look for a row that has the word Velvet highlighted where the auctionID is not highlighted.
If he sold more than 100 copies you should see at least 1 row. You won't see any.
URL for musicireland07's feedback as seller: http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... &items=200
The link will display his current top 200 feedback comments (right now, it displays all feedback since December 2007 -- well before the date of the first VU Gymnasium auction)
chrismo111 wrote:If you want quick visual proof do the following:
Prerequisite: you must have google toolbar.
Go to the page that displays all of musicireland07's feedback as a seller (link below)
Paste the following into the google toolbar box, then click the highligher icon:
velvet 170192544732 170192781992 170192907421 170193025982 170193470493 170194375060 170196929741 170198153820 170199531843 170201430123 170197186012 170198153818
Those are all the auction ids (green + black)
Scroll the page and look for a row that has the word Velvet highlighted where the auctionID is not highlighted.
If he sold more than 100 copies you should see at least 1 row. You won't see any.
URL for musicireland07's feedback as seller: http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... &items=200
The link will display his current top 200 feedback comments (right now, it displays all feedback since December 2007 -- well before the date of the first VU Gymnasium auction)
It doesn't explain what happened to the copy that I paid for.
At the moment there is a copy on black vinyl on ebay. It has 5 bids with 14 hours to go and is currently at ?19. Not bad for a record that you can get from Sister Ray Records for about ?11. Has the world gone mad?
Jez wrote:It doesn't explain what happened to the copy that I paid for.
At the moment there is a copy on black vinyl on ebay. It has 5 bids with 14 hours to go and is currently at ?19. Not bad for a record that you can get from Sister Ray Records for about ?11. Has the world gone mad?
Jez, you still do not have your copy? Boy, that sucks. As far as the copy on FeeBay now, most people probably do not know about Sister Ray Records and this record has very limited distribution, so that probably explains the price on FeeBay. The law of supply and demand and all...
Regarding the guitars, cc wrote "does anyone have knowledge or thoughts on this? I've been trying to ID the guitars, too. I would say it's Sterling who's louder most of the time, but I think Lou Reed may take a solo, for example, in "I'm Not a Young Man Anymore," around the 4:00 mark. The guitars sound fairly similar and are right on top of each other in the mono mix, so it's hard to tell if one is stepping back for the other one to step forward... I usually think the cutting, bluesy lines are Sterling, and the noisy freak-outs are Lou Reed. For example, on "Run Run Run," mustn't that be him? But the line gets blurred."
I agree that the cutting bluesy lines are probably Sterling and the noisy freak-outs are Lou. I hear Sterling playing the dominant single-note repeating figure and Lou playing the rumbling, underlying, driving rhythm.
I think in general on the live stuff that Lou plays pretty muddy, bassy, rhythm guitar, and Sterling plays the cleaner riffs, or lead lines or fancy flourishes, or whatever you call them. Remember, Lou has to handle the vocals, and singing and playing at the same time is difficult, so it would make sense for him to play more background, less distinct, fuzzy, bassy rhythm most of the time and only switch the pick-ups to a more trebly, louder tone for the instrumental sections or the occasional solo. I suspect (with no real evidence to back this up) that Lou came up with the basic rhythm and that Sterling worked out the single note leads and distinctive little riffs that stand out more in the mix. I think the freak-out stuff is almost always Mr. Reed, and that he is the one who leads the band through those trademark tempo changes, like Heroin, Oh Sweet Nuthin', etc. I've seen him lead the band through "shifting gears" runs like those in concert several times, so I think he's the instigator in the Velvets shifting gears also. That muddy-yet-distinct, rich, bassy tone Lou got with the Velvets is pretty tricky to try and duplicate, as is the feedback and distorted tones he gets for his leads, solos and flourishes. But that is true of many great distinctive guitarists. They know how to get a certain "sound" even with different guitars. Jerry Garcia generally had a distinctive sound; John Lennon frequently went for a biting, choppy, trebly, almost distorted rhythm guitar, and Lou went for his own style in the same way. But I do think his sound and style with the Velvets stems from needing to play and sing at the same time, and he uses that tone to facilitate that. A little distortion and fuzziness covers up a multitude of sins if your technique or precision is shaky. Guys who can really sing well, and play complex precise parts really well at the same time, LIVE, are a rare commodity.
So if its fuzzy, it's Lou; if its clean and some sort of single note riff, its Sterling is my opinion.
Not bad for a record that you can get from Sister Ray Records for about ?11. Has the world gone mad?